Now this is a story that has both sides of my brain running. Read the story by clicking HERE, and then tell me what you think.
I am going to very honest; I do not know how I feel on this issue. I am going to share with you the battle that has been going through my head on this.
Argument 1: “At least it gets people in the door”
This is a very good point to make. I don’t know how many times I have said to myself and others, “If we can get them in the door, then they will be able to hear a message that may change their lives forever.” I am positive that this same statement has been made at this church. Why, because it is true. We do want to get people in the doors. We do want people to be able come and experience worship and allow God to work in their lives. I have seen with my own eyes what can happen to some of the most hardened hearts when the Holy Spirit touches them during a worship service in a church.
Many people would say that this Pastor should have gone into marketing. It could have easily been what he studied in college before being called to ministry. When it comes to figuring out a way to use the environment around you to reach people, this is a perfect example. He is taking a need (a very big need for many of us today) and fulfilling that need in a very imaginative way. I don’t care what you think about what the church is doing, you have to be impressed with creativity.
Argument 2: “If I have to get them in with a Dog and Pony Show, then I would have keep the Dog and Pony Show going to keep them.”
That was a very long quote, but was one that I heard several times when I was a youth at my local church. I did not grow up in church, so the very first experiences that I had with church were given to me by my youth minister. To this day I still hold him in high regard, mainly because of the love and support he provided me during a very awkward time in my life. But, this was his philosophy. He did not believe that people that are brought into the church through gimmicks actually stayed to become true followers of Jesus Christ. He always felt that once the feelings or the fun were gone for them, they would leave to continue on with the life they once lived. Now, I have to say (even with my deep feelings toward him) that I did not always agree with this philosophy. Even as a youth minister myself, I saw that there were a few that came for the fun that our group was having but stayed because they found more…but it was just a few. (But isn't one enough...just a question)
This is where I fall right now on argument two. I believe that church is a very special time. It is a time during my week that I can honestly say I miss if I am unable to attend the service. And even though I know that church is about community and coming together as a group of believers to worship our God and King, it is still something that is very personal for me. It is time for me to forget my struggles and my self-centered life, and focus on the most important thing in life…my Lord. Therefore, I have to be honest in saying that there is something inside of me that begins to hurt when I feel that this time of worship is “cheapened” in any way.
I am all about reaching people. I want people to come to know Christ and experience the freedoms that He provides. But, I think sometimes that we focus too much on trying to get people to come inside our walls…when what we need to be focusing on is taking the message to their walls…then extend the invitation to join us within our walls if they think that there is something to the message we brought.
I don’t know. Tell me what you think. Share with me what goes on inside of you when you read something like this story. I want to hear, “Brad, you are missing all the good that can come out of this.” I want to hear, “Brad, you should not be struggling with this at all, because it should never be going on within our churches.” I look forward to the conversation.
God Bless and Keep Looking Up
Sunday, May 18, 2008
Dog and Pony OR Good Marketing?
Posted by Brad at 6:17 PM
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I will comment only if the reader is aware that I am an idiot and do not think I know how church should be or was done at the beginning. I can't stand it when people think they have the corner on church. There is this billboard on the freeway by my house that says "Perfecting Church". I hate that sign. I hate that attitude. But I read the article and I have a couple of thoughts on the issue. 1. I have a hard time seeing Peter or Paul or John or any of the early disciples using this tactic to get people in the doors. Mostly because they never used gimics to get people to come to the church. They brought the church to those on the outside. They went to the sick and those in prison, and those in pagan lands and brought the church to them. Paul said He came preaching only Christ. I think the attractive thing about what they did and what we can do is show people that there is a different way to live and die. People do not have to live under the weight of sin and they don't have to live lives devoid of hope. I think that is more attractive to unbelievers than gasoline. I think those people do end up leaving when the entertainment is done. Often gimics are done at the cost of discipleship to put more butts in seats they spent too much money for and for people they do not have the ability to keep due to poor discipleship. 2. What does God care if they win a gas card? Isn't church first there to worship God, then community. I don't think it glorifies God to use cash as an incentive to come and worship God especially when their are so many better reasons. I can see what he is trying to do, and I can see his philosophy of getting the seats filled, but really, I don't think it is us who brings people into a relationship with Jesus. The Bible says it was the Spirit that drew the in, not gas prices. I do not know, great post Brad.
I just hate that they compare the gas card give-away to Jesus feeding the multitude...there is a significant difference in filling someones tummy who has come to hear the word of God (compassion and true concern for their well-being) and offering a monetary incentive to get them to walk thru the door. Yes, it MAY actually succeed in converting a few people but at what cost....how many are going to look at it as just another callous attempt by Christians to bump up their numbers. How real is a faith that has to resort to this kind of tactic?
"I have a hard time seeing Peter or Paul or John or any of the early disciples using this tactic to get people in the doors. Mostly because they never used gimics to get people to come to the church. They brought the church to those on the outside. They went to the sick and those in prison, and those in pagan lands and brought the church to them. Paul said He came preaching only Christ. I think the attractive thing about what they did and what we can do is show people that there is a different way to live and die."
I know that I am quoting a large amount from something that was just stated above, but I believe that it was so important it needed to be said twice. :) (My comment, I can do what I want to!) Great point Adam. I tell ya Bro. I would love to hear you preach one day :)
"Yes, it MAY actually succeed in converting a few people but at what cost....how many are going to look at it as just another callous attempt by Christians to bump up their numbers."
Great statement. This is the exact point that causes some uneasiness in my soul when I read stories like this.
Two very good points you guys. Anyone out there want to take the opposite opinion?
I still can't leave that "I would leave the 99 to seach out the 1" feeling though. Like I said before, I am not claiming to have the answer to this question. I just believe it is really important for us as Christians to be asking the question.
God Bless you all, and thank you Adam and Maureen for the great input.
When I feel the need to judge how others share the Gospel, I remember more how I've tried and been found wanting. Yet God still ! loves me, cherishes me and showers His grace and blessings upon me. I'm not a fan of rock Gospel music nor of hip hop and country but those types of music are used to succor the brokenhearted.
"You meant it for evil but God used it for good," said Joseph to his brothers.
I've heard Billy Graham say any 100 people that came to Christ through the Graham revivals, about 25 would stay the course. Was it worth his life, the money, time, energy, etc. to put on those hundreds of revivals?
It was to those 25.
I've enjoyed my visit to your blog. God's blessings upon you, yours and the work of your hands and heart.
Sandra @ ThistleCoveFarm
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Good post. I am also unsure how I feel about the whole thing, but I would add one more thought. You mentioned that going to church was a way to "forget" your "self-centered life." Even though I love Christ's church, I would suggest that in its current form it is one of the most self-centered insitutions around. We do things the way that make us comfortable, forgetting the example of the early church (as two comments have mentioned) and their propensity to GO instead of STAY. Gas cards may be a symptom of a much larger problem.
Thank you Wendy for the comment, you really hit the nail on the head when you said, "I would suggest that in its current form it is one of the most self-centered institutions around." This is a very valid point. People within the church today are focused on what makes them comfortable. Do we need to have two services on Sunday? Well, do we have to sit too close to someone else? Do we need to have a fund drive? Well, do we need the most modern audio/visual system in our new sanctuary? Do we need to have a mission trip to Mexico? Well, will it teach our members something about the world we live in? I am not saying that an extra service, high tech audio/visual system, or a mission trip is inherently evil. I am asking the question: Why do we do what we do? What is the motivation for our action? Is it coming from an inward motivation or an outward motivation? Just more questions. :)
I have to admit that I went to your blog after seeing that you had visited here and noticed that you also are a minister. And read this about your work in ministry (I really hope you don’t mind me taking from your website, but I loved how you wrote this…It is exactly how I feel)
“In all fairness, it wasn’t as bad as I’d imagined, in some ways it was worse. I learned so many beautiful and terrible things while doing God’s work. I learned beautiful/terrible things about me and I learned beautiful/terrible things about Christ’s Church. Most importantly, I came to believe that it is just a better idea to let God do God’s work.
Please do not misunderstand me. I love my church, and I love its people. But I suspect Jesus is at the end of his tallit with all of us. And since I’m not God, my love began to feel disingenuous and dutiful. It was time to detox. I’m currently working the Steps, lingering on Number 3, and so I regularly recite that a Power greater than myself can restore me to sanity.
I’ll go back. I have to, because the Church is God’s girl, and He chooses her, no matter what. I choose her, too. I really do. After all, she raised me.”
This can only be written by one that was in the trenches. I loved it; by the way I think I am lingering around the same number.
I do believe that we have a very big problem with the Church in this country today. Instead of our values invading the world around us, we have allowed the values of the world to invade us. I don’t know how…but that trend must change. (But this is another post) :)
I feel that my thoughts have been all over the place on this comment. I hope at least a word or two has made some sense to someone. God bless and Keep Looking Up!
P.S. I have to say - This has been a great conversation. Thanks you guys. I hope you keep coming back. :)
Well, nice to meet you, Brad. Let's keep talking.
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